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Hi Guys,
My pal has four M1-A's. He just bought a nice(NEW) National M1-A match rifle with the heavy stainless barrel. He wants to sell me his Loaded Match rifle!
I called Springfield, they looked it up it was made in 2007!
It looks like new! List price now is $1900!
I think, I can get it for $1000 What do you think?
Is it a good buy?
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$1000 for a NM M1A sounds very good.
Most of the ones I've seen around here at gunshops and gunshows have been $1300-$1500.
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Agreed, great price! Wish I could afford it...
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So four of us throw in $250 each, and we each get it for 3 months/yr. The guys in CA and GA can have Jan, Feb, and Mar. 
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Oh, Lordy! I can just see the custody battles now...
 
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Hmmmmm
Custody battles over a rifle...
I don't do domestic stuff anymore, but isn't "the best interests of the child" the governing criteria?
I promise to be gentle, caring, thoughtful, firm when nec, loving, feed it regularly, wipe its little bottom.....
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Hi Guys,
We are still horse tradeing! He wanted more that $1000 when we started talking in earnist.
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| kwg wrote: | | I used to want an M1-a1 but now I want one of these. I've been bitten by the EBR (evil black rifle) bug. kwg |
I finally succumbed a couple of years back. Bought a LEFT-HANDED flat-top Stag Arms AR-15 A2 with 20-inch heavy barrel and removable carry handle. Rigged it up to be both a "regular" rifle (handle on) and a sniper rifle (handle replaced with a scope).
Glad I did.
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I finally got an upper for my complete lower I've had in the closet for 2 years. It cost me a rack grade M-1 Garand to finish it. Now I'm down to just 5 Garands. But, I have a yet to be assembled DPMS lower setting in my gun locker just waiting for me to put it all together. If I ever find some work I know what one of my first projects is going to be.
My new upper is an Armalite 16 in. carbine with no front sight. I currently have a cheap Bushnell scope on it.
It's this one.
http://www.armalite.com/ItemForm.aspx?item=U15A4CB&Category=bce7fa68-373e-4afc-b00e-63fe2c75d131
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Hi Guys,
Any one intrested in AR-15 Plastic lowers complete for $150!
We went up & visited a small shop in North Carolina. My pal the gun guy bought three!
The shop owner had a bunch of them & complete uppers for $350.
Just looked for his address it is out in the truck! If you want it I will get it out to you tomorrow.
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Off & on, I've "toyed"  with the idea of getting an AR of some kind, but am pretty stupid about the language (for a guy that was on pretty close terms with them way back when )
Stupid question: Does upper + lower = whole rifle?
Does that mean you'd end up with a complete AR for 500 smackers?
Or would you still need "minor" parts like bolt etc?
And does a "put together" rifle need tto be headspaced, gauged, or whatever before safely shooting?
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Hi wbb,
Yes it is a functional rifle in this case! The top end is headspaced to itself.
You can have three topends with various barrels & mate them to the lower. The lower is the "firearm" not the top end.I liked the short 16 inch barreled uppers.they have a tel-scoping stock on them.
They (uppers & lowers )look well made. I would check into the manufacture, before I bought one.
I'm sure some one has done a report on them. Even the hammer looks to be plastic!
My pal bought his first one at a Gun show in Columbia S.C & liked it.
He is a wheeler /dealer, so he will buy a few & sell them down the road for $100 more.
Best, broom
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| broomhandle wrote: | | liked the short 16 inch barreled uppers.they have a tel-scoping stock on them. |
The stock is on the lower, not the upper. It houses the buffer spring, and as such is part of the reciever.
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I have toyed with the idea of trading one more Garand for another Armalite upper but I'm reluctant to move ahead. But, It's been gnawing at my brain for several weeks. This time I'm getting one with the front sight. I bought an Armalite rear handle that had the snow camoflage painted on it from the factory. The dealer got them from Armalite then Armalite stopped making the snow camo AR's. I got a complete rear handle for $60.00. With a left over can of black primer it was converted to the right color. Now, I just need the correct upper.  What do I do? kwg |
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| wbb wrote: | | Does that mean you'd end up with a complete AR for 500 smackers? |
One needs to be careful with the terminology, wbb. There is typically a difference between an "upper" and an "upper assembly", or a "lower" (or "receiver") and a "lower assembly". Some vendors call a complete assembly a "half" -- as in upper half or lower half.
One can sometimes find "stripped lower receivers" for around $100 or so, but they're just that -- stripped. Lower assemblies, or lower halves, typically run between $200-$300. The lower half I bought, through my dealer, is this one:
http://www.stagarms.com/product_info.php?cPath=18_32&products_id=238 I paid a fair amount less than list price for it.
For complete upper assemblies or upper halves, prices vary depending on what you want. They typically run from around $500 to more than $1,000. The upper half I bought is similar to this one: http://www.stagarms.com/product_info.php?cPath=14_23&products_id=223 Mine has a heavy barrel and a gas block instead of the front sight. I paid around $700 for it.
So a basic no-frills AR-15 can usually be assembled for around $700.
| wbb wrote: | | And does a "put together" rifle need tto be headspaced, gauged, or whatever before safely shooting? |
A complete upper half or upper assembly contains the bolt and the barrel, so the headspacing and etc. has already been done. All ya gotta do is attach it to a lower half, which I'm certain you already know how to do, and VOILA!
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| kwg wrote: | | I have toyed with the idea of trading one more Garand for another Armalite upper but I'm reluctant to move ahead. But, It's been gnawing at my brain for several weeks. This time I'm getting one with the front sight. I bought an Armalite rear handle that had the snow camoflage painted on it from the factory. The dealer got them from Armalite then Armalite stopped making the snow camo AR's. I got a complete rear handle for $60.00. With a left over can of black primer it was converted to the right color. Now, I just need the correct upper. What do I do? kwg |
The best -- and the most confusing -- thing about AR-15s is that there are virtually endless possibilities. I suggest you start by perusing the web pages of a couple of reputable vendors. If you try to do it at a gun show you're likely to be overwhelmed with possibilities. (I know that I was...  ) If you don't see an upper half to your liking, most or all of them will build one to your specifications. That's how I got mine.
My favorite vendor is Stag Arms. Here's their website:
http://www.stagarms.com/index.php
If you've already decided to go with Armalite, here's their website:
http://www.armalite.com/
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Hello NE
Oh yes, I have looked at them all. There are so many possibilites. I want one of each. kwg |
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kwg,
There I went, rambling on and on about AR-15s, while completely forgetting that you were originally talking about an AR-10.
I'd like to see some longevity research on the AR-10's durability before committing any funds. Not that the situation is the same, by any means, but Ruger tried for many years to create the Ruger XGI, essentially a Mini-14 chambered for the 7.62x51 NATO round. They couldn't make the receiver sufficiently robust, so they re-chambered it for the 7.62x39 Russian round and brought it out as the Mini-30. Which, to me, is yet another horse designed by committee.
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| NightEyes wrote: |
I'd like to see some longevity research on the AR-10's durability before committing any funds. Not that the situation is the same, by any means, but Ruger tried for many years to create the Ruger XGI, essentially a Mini-14 chambered for the 7.62x51 NATO round. They couldn't make the receiver sufficiently robust, so they re-chambered it for the 7.62x39 Russian round and brought it out as the Mini-30. |
I never bought into the notion that Ruger couldn't make the XGI strong enough for the 7.62x51/.308 round. When has designing robust firearms ever been a problem for that company, really? Also, as memory serves they tanked the project in two years or less. It was in about the same time frame that Bill Ruger Sr. was going along with the "Is that an ASSAULT WEAPON?" nonsensical agenda being pushed by...well, let's just call them 'firearms non-enthusiasts' to save an argument...folk in the legislative and administrative portions of the U.S. government.
To back up that theory of mine was the seeming quid pro quo that kept the Mini-14 rifles off the "banned from new manufacture" list which DID include the AR spectrum. Hmmm.
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Quote by BrianD.
To back up that theory of mine was the seeming quid pro quo that kept the Mini-14 rifles off the "banned from new manufacture" list which DID include the AR spectrum. Hmmm.
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The fact that it even it has a high cap mag & shot the SAME 223 ammo.
It was "good rifle" The fact that it had a thin barrel & lost 0 very quickly was not a issue.
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| NightEyes wrote: | | broomhandle wrote: | | liked the short 16 inch barreled uppers.they have a tel-scoping stock on them. |
The stock is on the lower, not the upper. It houses the buffer spring, and as such is part of the reciever. |
Of course your correct NightEyes,
Missed proof reading it whan I posted, a nice late night snack was on the table! When the Queen call, I must OBEY!
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| broomhandle wrote: | Quote by BrianD.
To back up that theory of mine was the seeming quid pro quo that kept the Mini-14 rifles off the "banned from new manufacture" list which DID include the AR spectrum. Hmmm.
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The Ruger Mini-14, did not have any evil parts like a black finish, pistol grip, flash hinder, bayonet lug or a barrel shroud.
The fact that it even it has a high cap mag & shot the SAME 223 ammo.
It was "good rifle" The fact that it had a thin barrel & lost 0 very quickly was not a issue.
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Broom,
With all respect, how does the above apply?
Beginning in the mid-1980's, the trade journals clearly documented Ruger's problems with the XGI, which was basically a Mini-14 beefed up to handle the 7.62x51 (NATO) round. Following change after change after change in the design, and even following the use of a different steel, the receivers kept cracking under the strain. To keep from losing all their R&D efforts (and $$), they finally re-chambered for the 7.62x39 (Russian) round, and named the "new" product the Mini-30. Therefore, as I said in my previous post, I want to see some longevity durability research before sinking any of my personal capital into an AR-10.
I'm not saying it isn't a good design. I'm saying that, because it is essentially a .223 rifle design upped to a .308 like Ruger tried with the Mini-14/XGI, I want some research-based confirmation that it's a good design.
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Hi NE,
If I'm not mistaken Mr Stoner 's original thought was a 308 AR style firearm, which later developed into the M-16.
The .308/7.62 model of the M-16 / Ar-15 has been around in large numbers, for a good 8 to 10 years. Many people like them.
I'm a simple guy I still like wood & steel rifles. 1903,1903 A3, M-1 Garands & M-14 style rifles.BETTER!
I have a COLT Match H-Bar with a 1-7 barrel that is really quite effective out to 600 yards with 75 & 85 grain bullets. Even with the smaller diam. bullets, (cutting the next scoring ring) they still place well in real competition.
Maybe we can get a Shootertalk championship match going!
I shoot in a international internet C-96(Broomhandle) match almost every year. I won one year -second placed once.
Best to you,
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| broomhandle wrote: | | If I'm not mistaken Mr Stoner 's original thought was a 308 AR style firearm, which later developed into the M-16. |
Upon further review, I stand corrected.
| Broomhandle wrote: | | I'm a simple guy I still like wood & steel rifles. 1903,1903 A3, M-1 Garands & M-14 style rifles.BETTER! |
Long-term denizens of this, and other, boards will vouch for the fact that until about 3 years ago I wouldn't have used an AR-15 as a tomato stake. My absolute favorite battle rifle is the M-14, and I also have a very soft spot in my heart -- though some might say its in my head -- for the M-1 carbine. As long as it is used as a close-in weapon (200 yds or less), it's a great rifle. I also have a couple of 03-A3's -- one of which I got from our own wbb -- and a ragged old Enfield Pattern 14 that I still have hopes of converting to .30-06.
I shoot .308 out to about 800 yards and .223 out to about 600. I have two scoped Savage bolt guns (10FP in .308 and 12 FV in .223) that I use, along with my recently-acquired Stag Arms AR-15. I ain't too shabby with any of 'em.
I had a Springfield Armory M-1A, built in 1986, that I shot out to about 800 yards using 165-grain match ammo. I did, that is, until it broke my heart (l-o-o-o-o-n-g story).
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I had a Springfield Armory M-1A, built in 1986, that I shot out to about 800 yards using 165-grain match ammo. I did, that is, until it broke my heart (l-o-o-o-o-n-g story).
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Hi NE,
I don't know what happened, but I feel your intense pain!
I/ WE are here to hear your problem. If we can help you deal with your problem.i'm sure we will try.
I still flinch at the thought of me selling a firearm, only to discover it was head & shoulders better than the "new" wonder gun. It took me years to replace two of them.
Best, broom
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| broomhandle wrote: | I don't know what happened, but I feel your intense pain!
I/ WE are here to hear your problem. If we can help you deal with your problem.i'm sure we will try. |
Thanks Broom. Nearly all the oldtimers on this Board know the story, so I see no need to resurrect it.
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Hi NightEyes,
I'm so glad you have recovered from the bad experiance.
Best, broom
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Hi Fellows,
Well, I have been shooting the M-1 A mainly at a 100 yard target & at 400 yards at a jeep hood & a tank hull, scored hits !
It's a nice rifle! Next time I'll bring more ammo & a spotting scope.
I had loaded up about 100 rounds of 308 on the low end of the scale for my Cetme. Discoverd that they were too light for proper cycling!
The same is true with the M-1A. This proves, I too am human & I can & do make a error from time to time!
I will finish them up in my bolt action 308 Indian Enfield!
It suprises people when you just keep shooting because of the 12 round capacity of the 308.
Both rifles operate flawlessly with store bought ammo. I'll reload them hotter next time.
It was HOT as HECK at the range had to come in & sit in the AC for a while!
Best, broom
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